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05/03/2022 01:30 PM Senate HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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        HB 392-EXPAND ADV PRC REG NURSE, PHYS ASSIS AUTH                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:36:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON  announced the  consideration of  CS FOR  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO. 392(HSS) am "An Act  relating to advanced practice registered                                                               
nurses   and  physician   assistants;  and   relating  to   death                                                               
certificates,  do not  resuscitate  orders,  and life  sustaining                                                               
treatment."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:12 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LIZ SNYDER, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau,                                                                    
Alaska, sponsor of HB 392, introduced the legislation speaking                                                                  
to the sponsor statement that read as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB 392 updates statute  so Advanced Practice Registered                                                                    
     Nurses  (APRNs)  and  Physician  Assistants  (PAs)  can                                                                    
     provide more  support for the  seriously ill  and their                                                                    
     families.  APRNs are  Registered  Nurses  (RNs) with  a                                                                    
     master's degree  in nursing and  additional specialized                                                                    
     education and training.  Physician Assistants also have                                                                    
     a master's degree and additional clinical training.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In 1984, Alaska became one  of the very first states to                                                                    
     give  APRNs  full  practice  authority.  Full  practice                                                                    
     authority means APRNs can  use their expanded knowledge                                                                    
     and skillset to prescribe,  diagnose, or treat patients                                                                    
     independently  within  their specialization.  A  common                                                                    
     example of this is Nurse  Practitioners (NP), a type of                                                                    
     APRN,  working as  primary care  providers for  many of                                                                    
     us.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     APRNs are  authorized to  independently oversee  end of                                                                    
     life care, including assisting  with Do Not Resuscitate                                                                    
     (DNR)  orders  and  the   Physician's  Order  for  Life                                                                    
     Sustaining Treatment  (POLST). Similarly,  PAs examine,                                                                    
     diagnose, and  treat patients,  including participating                                                                    
     in end-of-life  care discussions,  as part of  a health                                                                    
     care  team. However,  statute does  not allow  APRNs or                                                                    
     PAs   to  sign   and   finalize  these   documentsonly                                                                     
     physicians  can. This  can cause  administrative delays                                                                    
     and  unnecessary additional  stress for  families if  a                                                                    
     physician is unavailable.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Additionally,  current  statute   allows  a  registered                                                                    
     nurse  to  declare a  death  but  only if  a  physician                                                                    
     documents  the  anticipated  reason for  the  death.  A                                                                    
     registered  nurse can  also sign  a death  certificate,                                                                    
     but  it must  be  certified by  a  physician within  24                                                                    
     hours.  HB 392  revises statute  so APRNs  and PAs  can                                                                    
     also  certify a  death certificate.  While the  bill is                                                                    
     narrow in scope, it helps  many and especially those at                                                                    
     vulnerable times.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Passage of HB  392 brings Alaska in line  with 34 other                                                                    
     states and  the District  of Columbia where  APRNs have                                                                    
     full  practice authority  and are  allowed to  sign DNR                                                                    
     and POLST  form; 37  other states  and the  District of                                                                    
     Columbia where  APRNs have full practice  authority and                                                                    
     can sign  death certificates;  30 states where  PAs can                                                                    
     sign DNR and  POLST forms; and 28 other  states where a                                                                    
     PA can sign a death certificate.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:19 PM                                                                                                                    
ALLIANA SALANGUIT, Staff, Representative Liz Snyder, Alaska                                                                     
State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, presented a summary of the                                                                   
sectional analysis for HB 392 that read as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1:  Amends AS 08.68.700(a) Determination  of death                                                                  
     by  registered nurse  by  allowing  a Registered  Nurse                                                                    
     (RN) to pronounce  or determine a death of  a person if                                                                    
     a physician  or an  advanced practice  registered nurse                                                                    
     (APRN) or  physician assistant  (PA) has  documented in                                                                    
     the  person's  medical  or  clinical  record  that  the                                                                    
     person's death is anticipated.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 2:  Amends AS  08.68.700(b) by  allowing an  RN to                                                                  
     sign a determination of death  if a physician, APRN, or                                                                    
     PA has previously documented the person's condition.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 3: Amends  AS 08.68.700(c) by allowing  an APRN or                                                                  
     PA to  certify a  death determined by  an RN  within 24                                                                    
     hours of the determination of death.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 4:  Amends to 08.68.700(d) by  adding "an advanced                                                                  
     practice  registered nurse,  or a  physician assistant"                                                                    
     and  physician  assistant  as a  conforming  change  to                                                                    
     statute regarding health  care facilities' policies and                                                                    
     procedures  for  determination   and  pronouncement  of                                                                    
     death by a registered nurse.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  5:   Amends  AS  13.62.065  Do   not  resuscitate                                                                  
     protocol   and  identification   requirements  (a)   by                                                                    
     allowing APRNs  and PAs to  issue a do  not resuscitate                                                                    
     order.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SALANGUIT noted that Section 5 was further amended on the                                                                   
House floor requiring the written consent of the patient or the                                                                 
parent or guardian of a minor for a DNR order to be issued.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 6  & 7: Adds  conforming language to  AS 13.62.065                                                                  
     Do   not   resuscitate  protocol   and   identification                                                                    
     requirements  to ensure  APRNs and  PAs are  subject to                                                                    
     the same rules and protocols as physicians.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  8:  Adds  language  to  AS  13.62.065(f)  Do  not                                                                  
     resuscitate  protocol  and identification  requirements                                                                    
     allowing APRNS and  PAs to revoke a  do not resuscitate                                                                    
     order.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  9:  Adds  "or  an  advanced  practice  registered                                                                  
     nurse,  or a  physician  assistant" to  13.52.080(a)(5)                                                                    
     Immunities as a conforming change.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 10: Amends AS  13.52.100(c) Capacity by adding "an                                                                  
     advanced  practice  registered  nurse, or  a  physician                                                                    
     assistant" to  language regarding protocols and  how do                                                                    
     not  resuscitate  orders   govern  decisions  regarding                                                                    
     cardiopulmonary    resuscitation   and    other   life-                                                                    
     sustaining procedures.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 11:  Amends AS 13.52.300  Optional Form  by adding                                                                  
     "an  advanced practice  registered nurse,  or physician                                                                    
     assistant" to the Advanced Health Care Directive Form.                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
     Sec. 12: Amends AS  13.52.390(12) Definitions by adding                                                                  
     "an  advanced practice  registered nurse,  or physician                                                                    
     assistant"  to language  defining  "do not  resuscitate                                                                    
     order."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 13: Amends AS  13.52.390(23) Definitions by adding                                                                  
     "an  advanced practice  registered nurse,  or physician                                                                    
     assistant"   to   language  defining   "life-sustaining                                                                    
     procedures."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
     Sec.  14:  Adds a  new  paragraph  to AS  13.52.390(38)                                                                  
     defining  an "advanced  practice registered  nurse" and                                                                    
     "physician  assistant" by  referring to  the definition                                                                    
     in  AS 08.68  Nursing  and AS  08.64.107 Regulation  of                                                                    
     Physician  Assistants  and   Intensive  Care  Paramedic                                                                    
     respectively.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
     Sec.  15: Amends  AS 18.15.230(c)  by adding  "advanced                                                                  
     practice registered nurse,  or the physician assistant"                                                                    
     to   the   instructions    for   completing   a   death                                                                    
     certificate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON turned to invited testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTINE KRAMER,  DNP and APRN, Anchorage,  Alaska, testified by                                                               
invitation on  HB 392.  She stated that  she has  been practicing                                                               
for  23   years,  primarily  in   hospitals.  She   reviewed  her                                                               
credentials and specific work history  and advised that she would                                                               
talk  from perspective  of an  APRN about  how this  bill impacts                                                               
practice. She recounted that when  a patient is admitted from the                                                               
emergency  department,  their  code  status  must  be  determined                                                               
through discussion  with the  patient and  their family.  This is                                                               
documented  in the  admission  notes and  orders  are written  to                                                               
reflect  those  wishes.  The  NP  is  an  integral  part  of  the                                                               
treatment team  throughout the patient's hospitalization.  If the                                                               
patient passes, that  is documented in the death  summary. The NP                                                               
provides  all  this  documentation  but  cannot  sign  the  death                                                               
certificate. Under the current process  a physician must sign the                                                               
death certificate even  though they may not be  familiar with the                                                               
patient care  and case, and  this may  delay the signing.  HB 392                                                               
changes this  practice and would allow  the NP to sign  the death                                                               
certificate.  She  offered  her professional  opinion  that  this                                                               
legislation would  improve care  for patients who  are critically                                                               
ill and facing end-of-life issues.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:46:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   COSTELLO  referenced   Section   5   and  offered   her                                                               
understanding that an Alaskan can sign  a DNR form and have it on                                                               
file in anticipation of needing  it someday. She asked Dr. Kramer                                                               
to comment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. KRAMER  said that's correct,  but what frequently  happens is                                                               
that  family members  are aware  of the  document but  don't know                                                               
where  it is  filed. If  the document  is on  file at  Providence                                                               
Hospital  she can  look it  up, but  frequently that  is not  the                                                               
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  said he didn't  believe she tailored her  answer to                                                               
Section 5.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:48:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COSTELLO said  her reading is that the DNR  may have been                                                               
written and  signed in  advance or  the parent  or guardian  of a                                                               
minor can  make the decision when  the need arises. It  also says                                                               
the nurse or  physician shall document the grounds  for the order                                                               
in the patient's medical file.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. KRAMER  asked if  she was talking  about the  amendment [that                                                               
passed on the House floor].                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO  said yes.  She added that  she knows  DNR forms                                                               
can be filled  out in advance, she just wanted  it on the record.                                                               
She called it prior consent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. KRAMER  offered her perspective  that requiring a  patient to                                                               
sign their consent  to their DNR status when  they're just coming                                                               
from the  emergency department could  be difficult  to impossible                                                               
depending on the patient's condition.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON asked  if she  understood that  the discussion  was                                                               
about an amendment that passed on the House floor.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. KRAMER answered yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER said a concern  that she has with the floor                                                               
amendment is that a  spouse may not be able to  decide on what to                                                               
do with a  DNR if the patient doesn't have  paperwork on file and                                                               
is suddenly  incapacitated. The  other concern is  what to  do in                                                               
situations where  it is  not possible  to obtain  written consent                                                               
from the patient.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:54:23 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  KRAMER said  she didn't  believe the  floor amendment  would                                                               
prevent  a spouse  from signing  a DNR  on the  patient's behalf.                                                               
Alaska  statutes make  the  spouse the  decision  maker in  those                                                               
situations, but they would have to  be present at the hospital to                                                               
sign the paperwork.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  asked if she  agreed that  the part of  Section 5                                                               
that requires  written consent  was a  bit redundant  because the                                                               
forms are by either the patient or the family.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:56:54 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. KRAMER agreed it was  redundant. She also emphasized that the                                                               
utmost  attention  is given  to  the  patient's wishes  when  DNR                                                               
orders are made and no decision  is made without consent from the                                                               
patient or the family.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES asked  if it's  been  a problem  that DNR  orders                                                               
aren't  defined  in  AS  13.52.065.  She  said  she'd  also  like                                                               
clarification on  the record regarding  what the  sponsor brought                                                               
up  about a  person's ability  to make  a DNR  decision if  their                                                               
spouse is unable to do so.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:19 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER  asked Senator Hughes  if she had  seen the                                                               
definition  for "do  not resuscitate  order" in  Section 12  that                                                               
starts on page 18. She noted  that there had been some discussion                                                               
about adding  the word "surrogate"  to the language in  Section 5                                                               
about those who  have the ability to make a  decision about a DNR                                                               
order when the patient is unable to do so.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES offered  her perspective  that the  definition in                                                               
Section  12 makes  it sound  as though  the health  care provider                                                               
could issue a  DNR order without advanced  consent. She suggested                                                               
that should  be clarified  and she would  speak with  the sponsor                                                               
offline  about whether  that was  a discussion  to have  with the                                                               
drafter.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTAIVE  SNYDER  said  there  are  good  reasons  that  the                                                               
language in  statute isn't  as specific  as the  requirements and                                                               
policies  at  the  health provider  level  where  signatures  are                                                               
required.  She  added  that  Ms. Salanguit  would  reach  out  to                                                               
Senator Hughes  about whether  it was  appropriate to  speak with                                                               
the drafter about this.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:04:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON reconvened the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  asked  if  there   was  any  situation  where  a                                                               
physician,  and potentially  PAs and  nurse practitioners,  would                                                               
issue a DNR order without patient or family consent.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  KRAMER answered  yes, but  it  is highly  unusual. It  might                                                               
happen  when an  individual is  gravely  ill and  all efforts  to                                                               
locate the  family have been unsuccessful.  In that circumstance,                                                               
two  physicians look  at the  situation, perhaps  in consultation                                                               
with the Ethics Committee, consider  the care options, and make a                                                               
DNR  judgement call.  She then  reiterated her  concern with  the                                                               
change  in  Section   5  that  resulted  from   the  House  floor                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:06:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON  clarified that  Dr.  Kramer  was talking  about  a                                                               
change made  to Section 5  when the bill  was in the  other body.                                                               
This committee was not considering an amendment.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTOPHER  DITTERICH, PA,  Past  President,  Alaska Academy  of                                                               
Physician  Assistants,  Palmer,  Alaska,  stated that  he  was  a                                                               
practicing  PA  with  Orion  Behavioral   Health  Network  and  a                                                               
behavioral  health and  primary care  services provider  with the                                                               
Department  of  Corrections.  He  stated that  NPs  and  PAs  are                                                               
integrative  leaders in  patient care  teams  who are  in a  good                                                               
position  and well  able to  provide end  of life  care decisions                                                               
with patients  and their families.  He continued to say  that PAs                                                               
in  particular  are  medical   providers  who  diagnose  illness,                                                               
develop and  manage treatment  plans, prescribe  medications, and                                                               
often  serve as  the  patient's principal  health care  provider.                                                               
They   are  also   specifically   prepared   to  complete   death                                                               
certificates,  provide  life-sustaining treatment,  and  complete                                                               
the DNR orders with patients.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:09:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON opened public testimony  on HB 392; finding none, he                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:09:29 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:11:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON reconvened the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:11:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH directed attention to  AS 13.52.065 related to the                                                               
do not resuscitate protocol and  AS 13.52.100 related to capacity                                                               
[to  make health  care decisions].  He said  it appears  that the                                                               
lingering issue  about responsible party could  be addressed with                                                               
a minor amendment to the capacity statute.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES pointed out that  PAs fall under the State Medical                                                               
Board but APRNs  do not. According to the  current statute, APRNs                                                               
have to  comply with  the protocol  the department  developed and                                                               
the  State Medical  Board approved,  so  that would  be the  rule                                                               
regarding DNR  that APRNs would  have to follow in  the situation                                                               
where an individual either has no family or none can be located.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH relayed  that Senator Hughes was  describing AS 13                                                               
52 065(d).                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:13:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON, finding  no further questions or  comments, held HB
392 in committee.                                                                                                               

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